tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7991521249777064341.post2597584431916681419..comments2023-09-14T11:43:20.028+01:00Comments on Nova et Vetera: Vespers: a little moreFr Justinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11453464347435181524noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7991521249777064341.post-11085795804643397812007-12-04T14:15:00.000+00:002007-12-04T14:15:00.000+00:00About the stole: the "Ceremonial of Bishops" 1989 ...About the stole: the "Ceremonial of Bishops" 1989 says IN Pt III Cap I, CELEBRATION OF EVENING PRAYER ON MAJOR SOLEMNITIES, ยง192:<BR/><BR/>"In the vesting room (sacrity) the bishop ... takes off the cappa or mozzetta and puts on the amice, alb, cincture, pectoral cross, stole, and cope. He then receives the mitre and pastoral staff from one of the deacons.<BR/>"During this time presbyters, and especially canons, may put on a cope over a surplice or alb; deacons may wear either a cope or a dalmatic."<BR/><BR/>Since this is the Ceremonial followed at the moment, this is what should, and did, happen. In due course, should the Extraordinary Form be introduced for Vespers, then I believe you are right, the stole was not used even for Bishops, except it was rare that Benediction would not follow.<BR/><BR/>In the meantime Msgr Marini is doing exactly what he said he would, interpreting the rubrics without creativity or intervention of his personal identity!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7991521249777064341.post-32403874855032275762007-12-04T08:03:00.000+00:002007-12-04T08:03:00.000+00:00Thanks, everyone, for the useful comments. I'm sti...Thanks, everyone, for the useful comments. I'm still scratching my head about the stole, though. It has become over recent years (to some) an inseparable part of choir dress. I can understand the use of a stole if Benediction was to follow immediately afterwards, but I guess this did not happen at these Vespers.Fr Justinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11453464347435181524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7991521249777064341.post-90168637983282229412007-12-04T02:04:00.000+00:002007-12-04T02:04:00.000+00:00I think it is nice the Pope carries something but ...I think it is nice the Pope carries something but not something so redolent of the 60s.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7991521249777064341.post-57805180904765594022007-12-04T00:14:00.000+00:002007-12-04T00:14:00.000+00:00From Bishop Elliott's "Ceremonies of the Modern Ro...From Bishop Elliott's "Ceremonies of the Modern Roman Rite":<BR/><BR/>"The bishop presides from the cathedra. He is assisted by two deacons, in dalmatics or copes (or two priests in copes, if no deacons are available). He is attended by the miter, crozier, and book bearers. In addition to the (amice,) alb, (cincture,) stole, and cope, he wears the ring, pectoral cross on a cord, skullcap and miter."Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16248847549324304536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7991521249777064341.post-70081766983799237312007-12-03T23:17:00.000+00:002007-12-03T23:17:00.000+00:00As far as the cope goes, the GILH says in paragrap...As far as the cope goes, the GILH says in paragraph 255: The priest or deacon who presides at a celebration may wear a stole over the alb or surplice; a priest may also wear a cope. On a greater solemnities [sic] there is nothing to prevent several priests from wearing copes or several deacons from wearing dalmatics.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7991521249777064341.post-45166189182571071652007-12-03T22:29:00.000+00:002007-12-03T22:29:00.000+00:00The altar is fine, different candlesticks from tho...The altar is fine, different candlesticks from those at the Consistory (they were lovely, stepping up as the rubrics actually demand). Here is the Magnificat: https://www.photo.va/photos/middle/46/or464723.jpg<BR/><BR/>They are, surely, deacons of the Throne, not assistants at Vespers, who would be Cardinals. Perhaps next year?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com